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Over 10 years ago, I wrote my first blog post. Since then, I've authored books, had kids, traveled the world, found Trish and blogged about it all.

Which one do you believe Daddy?

Abbie: Which one of these do you believe Daddy?

Option 1 Option 2

Abbie: Mommy and I believe the 2nd one is right.
Me: I agree.

Posted in General at May 23 2008, 01:05:18 AM MDT 14 Comments

Thats brilliant.

Posted by Adrian on May 23, 2008 at 02:06 AM MDT #

I vote for both. I mean, who did 1 or where does 1 come from?

Posted by on May 23, 2008 at 02:56 AM MDT #

Sweet. Now if only you guys would vote a president into office who doesn't take science cues from Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson.

Posted by Maarten on May 23, 2008 at 05:54 AM MDT #

I wish that we didn't make the creation of the Universe into a multiple choice question. Why can't we be content with some things just being a mystery? Do we really believe that we can fathom the creation of the Universe? Most of us can't even figure out how they get those tiny ships into the glass bottles. ;-)

That being said, cheers to your daughter for even thinking about these questions. I bet she's a smart one!

Posted by Chris M on May 23, 2008 at 06:10 AM MDT #

FSM anytime. BTW, your daughter is brilliant.

Posted by Ignacio Coloma on May 23, 2008 at 06:48 AM MDT #

This is awesome. How hold is she?

Chris M - human kind can't just accept the mystery because that is not in our nature. If it were we'd all still be shivering in a cave somewhere. As far as fathoming the creation of the universe, I don't think it is entirely possible as mankind can't really grasp the full concept of nothing.

Posted by Jason McDonald on May 23, 2008 at 06:50 AM MDT #

I had that conversation with the six-year-old and four-year-old just yesterday.

Posted by Cyndy Aleo-Carreira on May 23, 2008 at 06:58 AM MDT #

See, I believe the first one but I also can accept the criticism for taking the easy choice. I just want someone to say choose Struts and be done with it. Flex is even killing me now because I haven't played with it yet. I tried Rails but I didn't inhale. I think I might create another web framework. It will be my framework of choice and I'll have to accept it because it will be mine. And, it's easier convincing people than making personal decisions. So that's it, God created the universe and he put me here to solve the web framework decision once and for all. wow, what a Friday!

Posted by David Whitehurst on May 23, 2008 at 07:10 AM MDT #

Where is the Flying Spaghetti Monster??

Posted by Pete on May 23, 2008 at 09:41 AM MDT #

If she's interested in what a third picture might look like, you could have her draw the man in the cloud on picture two and put a zero by him. The Cosmological Argument for kids.

At any rate it's good stuff, and it's clear her art schooling is going better than this kid's is:

Posted by Bryan on May 23, 2008 at 09:43 AM MDT #

Why can't we be content with some things just being a mystery?
Just a few famous mysteries:
  1. Fire.
  2. Agriculture.
  3. The cause of infectious disease.
  4. Flight.

I assume you would not be against any of these discoveries, but where would you draw the line? Each time a mystery is solved, it advances us as a species, and opens the doorway to newer, more exciting questions. That is both the blessing and the curse of humanity. A Church can censure a Gallileo or a government will ban an area of research, but no matter where somebody imposes a line, human curiosity will always bubble back up. It must. Whether given or evolved, we have these complex brains, and the ability to use tools. It would be going against God/Natue not to use them.

Do we really believe that we can fathom the creation of the Universe?

Can we fathom the creation of the Universe? Probably not. Should we stop trying to figure it out? God, I hope not.

Posted by ac on May 23, 2008 at 02:06 PM MDT #

ac - You're comment made me think of an Einstein quote I read recently. Yeah, it's a bit cheesy, but so was your comment. It proves nothing and is completely anecdotal, but I still like it.

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of nature--a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort."

Posted by Bryan on May 23, 2008 at 03:33 PM MDT #

People frequently quote Einstein out of context as some sort of proof that science leads to God. Partly due to frequent misinterpretations of his ideas, he wrote himself in a letter in 1954:

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

That said, Einstein seems to have had deep respect for those who had religious beliefs, and took the most sensible tact of all -- that religion and science inhabit different, complementary domains. In 1940, he wrote in Nature

science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind ? a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist.

We would all be better served if people stopped trying to pit the two against each other. In my own far less elegant words, science attempts to explain how, religion attempts to answer why. They are not competing answers to the same question -- they are in themselves attempts to answer completely different questions.

Posted by ac on May 23, 2008 at 04:53 PM MDT #

ac -

Right you are. That's exactly why I said it 'proves nothing and is completely anecdotal'. As far as I understand it, Einstein was deistic, which doesn't get you to any of the common monotheistic (Islamic, Jewish or Christian) versions of God. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter at all according to the rules of logic thanks to the fallacy of the Appeal to Authority.

I think you're summation is fair. Theologians aren't concerned with how point zero (man on cloud) created point 1 (the Big Bang - as I am understanding the artwork), but are concerned with why. For me personally, the 'how' question is a really, really cool one to get answered... the 'why' one is more important than the 'how' though... as important as it gets actually... because 'why' in terms of man on cloud that created expanding black dot leads me to wonder... why am I here, or you, or anyone else.

At any rate, I'm sure I agree with you on Einstein. I don't mean to pile on any more words or meaning upon what he had to say than what he actually said. He and I just happen to have a common denominator at his level.

Posted by Bryan on May 23, 2008 at 05:30 PM MDT #

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