Matt RaibleMatt Raible is a Web Architecture Consultant specializing in open source frameworks.

10+ YEARS


Over 10 years ago, I wrote my first blog post. Since then, I've authored books, had kids, traveled the world, found Trish and blogged about it all.

Colorado Software Summit - are you coming?

Are you coming to the Colorado Software Summit this year? I'm excited to go because I wrote new presentations and I think they'll be a lot of fun to deliver. Also, as I've said before, I really enjoy this conference because it's so relaxing. It's a full-week long, which is a tough commitment, but I like to think of it as a vacation. You do have to deliver your talks 3 times each, so you still have to work every day, but there's also a great opportunity to learn from other speakers. And you don't feel rushed since each talk is given 3 times. This means you can treat some days like real vacation days where you only work a couple hours and others you can pack it in and get a brain full of stuff.

Here's my Choosing a JVM Web Framework abstract?

One of the most difficult things to do (in Java web development) today is to pick which web framework to use when developing an application. A few years ago, there were over 50 Java web frameworks available, most of them open source. Since then, the number hasn't gone down, but the quality of choices has certainly improved. Should you use the standard JSF, or something like Tapestry or Wicket? What about Struts' successor ? is Struts 2 better than Spring MVC or Stripes? And what about the slick-looking applications that Flex and OpenLaszlo can create? Should you use Rails on GlassFish or Grails with Groovy? Is ZK really the next best thing? Where does RIFE fit into all of this? The choice hasn't gotten easier over the years.

This session is a discussion about choosing the best tool for the job. Not only will various frameworks and their features be discussed, but so will important factors for choosing a web framework. Is ease of development more important, or future maintenance? Is the project community an important factor? All of these questions will be discussed and answers will be provided. If you are about to choose a web framework, or if you have an opinion about a web framework, this session is for you.

I think it's important to note that this talk is going to be a discussion. I don't plan on offering my opinions as much as I plan on extracting them from others. This talk probably wouldn't work with the Norway crowd (they don't like to participate much), but I think it'll work with the Colorado folks.

If you're attending ApacheCon this year, which talk would you rather attend - Comparing or Choosing? Or maybe "choosing" would fit in better as a BOF?

Posted in Java at Sep 24 2007, 06:44:03 PM MDT 9 Comments
Comments:

Good idea to make it more interactive. Might be tough to steer, but I bet you can get interesting discussions if you have a few good people in the audience.

For ApacheCon: definitively 'choosing' since a large part of the attendees are actively involved in open source projects themselves.

Posted by Eelco Hillenius on September 25, 2007 at 12:06 AM MDT #

weird name "... JVM web framework....". What has a web framework to do with the JVM ? Marc

Posted by Marc Logemann on September 25, 2007 at 08:31 AM MDT #

> What has a web framework to do with the JVM?

It runs on it. See Choosing a JVM Web Framework for an explanation.

Posted by Matt Raible on September 25, 2007 at 09:47 AM MDT #

"...Is ZK really the next best thing?..."

After my experience with STRUT and JSF, I definitively migrated to ZK.

Looking forward to what people said about "Choosing a JVM Web Framework" and 	
particularly ZK. 

Cheers,

Marcos de Sousa

Posted by sousa1981 on September 25, 2007 at 10:31 AM MDT #

Marcos - in your opinion, why is ZK the next best thing? What advantages does it have over other frameworks? Is there a particular kind of application it's best suited for?

Posted by Matt Raible on September 25, 2007 at 07:41 PM MDT #

ZK is the next best thing because:
First of all, is an open source Web development framework that enables Web applications to have both rich user experiences and low development cost as you did for years in desktop applications.

Advantages relative other frameworks are:
> 79 XUL and 83 HTML off-the-shelf components. We don't need lost time build new components. We don't need lost time integrate new framework to make Ajax or other thing, to make rich user interface. Everything is already done. 
> Event-driven, server-centric model.
> Scripting in EL expressions and your favorite scripting languages, include but not limited to Java, JavaScript, Ruby and Groovy. The choice is yours.
> 100% Customizable User-Interface factory.
> Server Push
> Load-on-Demand without Writing Java Codes
> ZK grown fast other, you could see Release History at http://www.zkoss.org/release/rn-3.0.0-RC.dsp
> ZK Mobile, you build it in the same way you build an typical ZK applications. 

In my opinion ZK is best suited for Intranet Applications.

Cheers,

Marcos de Sousa

Posted by sousa1981 on September 26, 2007 at 01:52 AM MDT #

Web Frameworks Comparison: Struts, JSF and ZK
Daniel Seiler, a founder of EBPM AG, has written an article to compare Struts, JSF and ZK on the cover of the latest issue of Javamagazin, the largest Java magazine in German. In this 9-page article, Daniel has a deep analysis of their strength and weakness. "Doch das ganze Komponentenmodell von ZK und die Tatsache, dass der Entwickler eigentlich nie mit Ajax bzw. JavaScript direkt in Berührung kommt, sondern auf einem viel höheren Abstraktionsniveau programmiert, haben mich sehr positiv überrascht. Der reiche Satz an fertigen Komponenten und die intuitive und logische Architektur des ZK-Frameworks haben mir beim Entwickeln der Beispielapplikation viel Spaß bereitet."(German)(The rich set of completed components and the intuitive and logical architecture of ZK brings much fun for me.)

Cheers,

Marcos de Sousa

Posted by sousa1981 on September 27, 2007 at 12:02 PM MDT #

Marcos - I appreciate your enthusiasm for ZK, but with all the e-mails and comments on my blog, it feels like you're spamming me.

Posted by Matt Raible on September 27, 2007 at 02:21 PM MDT #

OK. Sorry for that. I was trying to incentive you to include ZK in "Choosing a JVM Web Framework". The last post was to see other compare between frameworks. Sorry, sorry. That wasn't my intention. Marcos de Sousa

Posted by sousa1981 on September 28, 2007 at 01:45 AM MDT #

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