Raible Designs

Hibernate vs. iBATIS

There's an interesting thread taking place on the iBATIS User Mailing List. The basic jist of the responses are: Hibernate works well when you control the data model, iBATIS works well when you need to integrate with an existing database. I've said this for a couple years now, and I still believe it. Furthermore, I've found that when working with iBATIS, I tend to know what's going on a lot more. After all, it's just SQL. From all the questions on the AppFuse mailing list, it seems like a lot of Hibernate users are constantly trying to get Hibernate to "work its magic" and handle all their relationships for them.

I wonder if newbies would be better of using iBATIS? Using iBATIS, there isn't a whole lot of magic, and you get full control over the SQL - which would likely be easier to understand. Maybe I should create a "newbie" version of AppFuse - where the frameworks uses are the easiest to learn or most documented. It'd probably be Struts+Spring+iBATIS, or maybe just Spring+iBATIS so I could sell more copies of Spring Live.

Rails is 8 times slower than Spring+Hibernate

Might as well start off this week by getting people's blood boiling. According to a comment on Dion's blog:

Having done extensive performance (scalability means different things to different people) testing on both Rails and a comparable Spring/Hibernate/JSP2 webapp (no one seems have have done any sort of benchmarking on Rails, or they simply don't care, I don't really know, but since benchmarking is what I do... ) I can say that Apache2/FastCGI/Rails is about... 8x slower than the comparable Tomcat/Spring/Hibernate/JSP2 solution. And that is with caching turned on in Rails (using Rails 0.9.5...)

Quite frankly, 62 req/s on a Dual Opteron with 4GB of RAM rendering a simple view with no DB access is too... damn slow.

Personally, I still think Rails looks like a great (and easy) way to develop webapps. I just wonder if there's some truth to the "can't scale" argument. I guess the best way to find out is for me to develop an application like AppFuse with Rails, and then hammer it (and AppFuse) with JMeter to see what kind of results I get.

On a sidenote, I wonder when Rails will hit the illustrious version 1.0? They released 0.1 last week - which is a bad version number for marketing. If it's as mature as folks claim, why not make the next release 1.0? That version number alone will likely allow developers to use it more in big companies.

[ANN] Equinox 1.3 Released

This release is mainly a bug fix release, but it also adds support for Maven. All of the frameworks used in Equinox, as well as its build/test system is explained in Spring Live. Detailed release notes are below:

- Added missing "validator" property to "userFormController" bean in Spring MVC version.
- Added "redirect" element to success mapping to user list to prevent duplicate post problem.
- Moved "ctx" variable declaration from decorators/default.jsp to taglibs.jsp so it's available to all JSPs.
- Changed any references to UserDAO in UserWebTest.java instances to use UserManager instead (to prevent problems when transactions aren't used).
- Fixed install scripts in extras so they'd work on Windows from the command prompt. Added "fixcrlf" target for users that encounter issues.
- Added installer for Maven in "extras/maven". This can be used to replace the Ant build system.
- Dependent packages upgraded:

• Display Tag 1.0
• Hibernate 2.1.8
• iBATIS 2.0.9b.550
• JPOX 1.1.0-beta-1
• Spring 1.1.4
• Tapestry 3.0.2

Download. For more information about installing the various options, see the README.txt file.

Demos:

• Spring
• JSF
• Struts
• Tapestry
• WebWork

Rather than uploading the different combinations that are possible with Equinox, I figured I'd just wait for requests. So if you'd like things like Tapestry+Spring+JDO, or JSF+Spring+JDBC, let me know and I'll upload a pre-built version of 1.3.

Table-less forms for your webapp

The Man in Blue has some nice form layouts using fieldsets, labels and CSS. I think I'll integrate one of these styles for the forms in AppFuse. I've always stuck with tables for layout because it seemed easy, but I really like the look and flexibility that CSS provides.

JBoss ClassLoader Logic

Is there any logic to how JBoss puts all WARs, EARs and their accompanying JARs into the same ClassLoader? It seems logical that I should be able to deploy different versions of a JAR in different WARs. This works fine on Tomcat, but doesn't seem to on JBoss. Is there someway to turn this segmentation on?

RE: Ruby on Rails Koolaid

David Geary on Ruby on Rails:

Interestingly enough, ROR creates default views for your db tables. Cool. But after I thought about it for a minute, I came to the conclusion that that feature is certainly close to useless: It's nice to get you up and running, and great for seductive demos and articles, but you're going to override at least 100% of the views that ROR generates. And therein lies the rub...

...because views in ROR are a mixture of HTML and Ruby scriplets! We've been there before, of course, in the early days of JSP with HTML mixed with Java scriptlets. No thanks, I'll pass on that giant step backwards.

I've thought about this myself. I think David is right, but only to a certain point. Ruby on Rails (and its scriptlet-ridden views) will work until they get HTML designers in their writing Ruby code. Furthermore, when companies start off-shoring their Ruby development, that's when it gets ugly. JSP scriplets were a disaster because you had HTML developers writing Java code, and using if statements that exceeded the 64K block and such. JSP scriplets are hard to maintain when they're used and abused. I've seen a lot of code (especially the off-shored stuff) that has very ugly and unmaintanable scriplet code. However, using scriptlets in JSPs isn't a bad thing - it's only bad if you're coding business logic and/or, using lots of Java code in them, or having JSPs that are scriplet-only pages.

However, I believe Rails is a bit different. Not only does it enforce MVC from the get-go, but you can't use the views stand-alone (can you?). With JSPs and Servlets, you have the opportunity to use JSPs only - which encourages scriptlets. I do wish that Rails' templates used the ${...} syntax that JSP, Velocity and FreeMarker enjoy - the <% %> syntax brings bad bad thoughts of 1000+ line JSPs.

Oh, and one last thing - for David and Rick (the JSF-is-the-best-thing-since-sliced-bread-duo). At least Rails allows HTML in its view templates. JSF developers don't even get to see HTML anymore - poor guys.

Why doesn't AppFuse use Maven?

My newest reply for why AppFuse doesn't use Maven is going to be this link. Ant rocks. I still need to update AppFuse's build.xml to use all the Ant 1.6 stuff - that's scheduled for next week's late nights.

Microsoft Conference for Developer Community Leaders

I received the following e-mail in my inbox last night:

I'm thinking about doing it because it sounds like a heckuva opportunity with some pretty smart folks. Looks like March is shaping up to be a month of conferences, with TheServerSide Symposium starting two weeks from tomorrow.

Is Shale ready for primetime?

Is Shale ready for prime-time and use in production applications? David Geary seems to think so:

My consulting job is pretty exciting. I'm using Shale heavily now, especially for wizards. Our application has both static wizards, for creating a new account, for example, and dynamic wizards that are generated from a description of an online-document.

Not only that, but he's going to be talking about it on the No Fluff Just Stuff tour this year.

To start the year, I'm doing three new presentations: "Shale: the next Struts", "Felix: a bag of tricks for JSF", and "Design Patterns: Tales from the server-side". Later on, I'll add two more presentations: in the near term, Killer Web UIs with Tiles and SiteMesh and a little later, a session on Laszlo.

I'm a huge believer in Shale. I have no doubt it's destined for great things, so I'm super-excited about the Shale session.

Now that I've talked about this, I'll probably be accused of caring more about Struts than the other web frameworks I use. In reality, I prefer most of the other frameworks in AppFuse and Equinox to Struts. However, at my current gig we're afraid to move from Struts because we're the only development group that hasn't fallen victim to the Big Blue umbrella. They've tried to make us use WebSphere, but we fought that off and continue to use JBoss. The fear is that if we don't use Struts, and use some lesser-known framework, they'll use that against us. That's why I like Shale - because it might be a way for me to use a more WebWork/JSF-type framework.

Context Reloading in Tomcat 5.5.7

Today I started using Tomcat 5.5.7 instead of 5.0.28. It was fairly easy to install on my PowerBook - I just had to add the xerces and jmx JARs from the compat package to get things working. The one thing I noticed that's different from Tomcat 5.0.28 is that when I deploy any file, it reloads the context. This can be a pain when I'm just copying JSPs into the webapps directory. I'm willing to admit it could be a problem with my "maven deploy" goal, but since this didn't happen on 5.0.28, I suspect it's the newer version of Tomcat. On 5.0.28, the context was only auto-reloaded when I updated files in the classpath.

The main reason this was frustrating is because we look up a bunch of data from a web service on app startup. The API we're talking to is nice and slow and it takes almost 50 seconds to start our application. Rather than go back to the older version of Tomcat, I wrote some code to serialize all the ServletContext variables to disk, and then check for that file on startup. If the file exists, it deserializes it and puts all the objects back in the ServletContext. Works pretty good and certainly speeds up my development environment. After all this, I'll probably downgrade to 5.0.28. Auto-reloading when classpath files change seems like a better way to go.