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Monday July 05, 2004

GMail or .Mac?

I don't feel like creating another @raibledesigns.com account because I can't think of anything that looks good. I like matt@ and mraible@ or raible@ just doesn't feel right. So I have a gmail.com and a mac.com account - and I'm thinking of using one of those for my primary account. GMail kinda sucks because you're stuck using the web interface and I like using mail clients like Apple's Mail, Outlook or Thunderbird. .Mac allows both webmail and POP/IMAP, but they only have 15 MB of space. I'm used to unlimited space with raibledesigns.com, so using an account with limited space would be tough. .Mac has synching of contacts, which is a huge plus though. What do you recommend?

Deleting my e-mail account is going to be a real pain - I'm just starting to realize how many online accounts I have it hooked up to. Oh well, maybe alienating myself from those accounts will free up some time as well.

Posted in General at Jul 05 2004, 09:54:52 AM MDT 15 Comments
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Hi Matt!

Have you tried Opera Mail (M2) ?
It learns about spam mail.
Just fantastic.

Cheers,
Kunal

Posted by Kunal on July 05, 2004 at 10:56 PM MDT #

Hi Matt, this will perhaps help you to make your choice.

Posted by Pascal Thivent on July 05, 2004 at 11:07 PM MDT #

FWIW, I switched all of my email usage to Gmail almost 3 weeks ago and have been very pleased. I was like you at first, skeptical that a web interface would be good enough, but it's turned out that it works just fine for my use. I forward the several email addresses that I currently have to my Gmail account from the servers that they really reside on, and all of the mail goes through a Barracuda spam firewall, so the amount of spam that actually gets to Gmail is so low that I can't really comment on how well their built-in spam filtering works.

Posted by Mark Imbriaco on July 06, 2004 at 02:25 AM MDT #

In my experience the GMail spam filtering is totally crap. I set up my OSX Mail client to redirect all incoming mail to my GMail account and almost nothing is flagged as spam, while I get hundreds of them each day. In Mail I almost see no spam appearing at all.

Posted by Geert Bevin on July 06, 2004 at 12:06 PM MDT #

I *highly* recommend <a href='http://www.fastmail.fm' >http://www.fastmail.fm

They have both a very good web interface, POP3 and IMAP :) Also a very good spam filter setup, including the possibility for you to write your own sieve scripts :-D Also retrieving emails from other POP3/IMAP servers for consolidation. And *alot* more :)

They have a free version, and some paying ones... But even the most expensive and full-features is very cheap ( something like 30$ per year i think )

I use to have the same problem you had on my yahoo account, so I opened a new fastmail account, and downloaded everything from yahoo, and filtered it all out into a separate folder ( excluding certain emails addresses from friends and such ), that way I don't get swamped by junk and such, and from time to time I quickly browse through that folder to check for anything that might be of interest ( even though if you're getting so much junk, you'll probably want a more aggressive setup, which you can do too using the sieve scripts )

Posted by Yannick Menager on July 06, 2004 at 12:32 PM MDT #

I also have to recommend the excellent Fastmail.fm. I just a free account there and works great email lists and other misc email. It isn't my primary account though.

Posted by Kurt Wiersma on July 06, 2004 at 01:58 PM MDT #

I like gmail but I'm mostly using it for mailing lists and things I want to track. I still have other e-mail accounts for personal use and I agree that the gmail spam filtering is totally lame. My spam was down to a trickle and then I deleted all of it from my spam folder so I don't know if that helped cause my sudden avalanche of spam. I would recommend using gmail for just mailing list stuff and then use your .Mac account or one of the other options listed above for your personal e-mail account.

There's my $.02 -

Greg

Posted by Greg Ostravich on July 06, 2004 at 03:09 PM MDT #

I just moved all of the mail for my entire domain to COTSE (https://www.cotse.net). $25 setup, $5.95/month. No IMAP, but they offer POP. The security and spam features are amazing...plus you get access to their anonymizer proxies. You can use all of their services with HTTPS or stunnel (stunnel is nice for POP). Whitelists, blacklists, goldlists, unlimited aliasing, HTTPS access to webmail, auto alias expiration, integrated SpamAssassin, integrated RBL (pick as many blacklists as you want). Too many features to list, really. All I did was point my MX record to them, and I was done. I kept HTTP hosting on my regular host. According to my recent spam reports, of an average of 500 messages per day, 99% of them are spam and are being caught, and either bounced or deleted according to the filters I have set up. I never see them. The piece of mind is worth it, by far.

Posted by JT on July 06, 2004 at 03:15 PM MDT #

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I'm going to try the <em>forward to GMail</em> approach. It seems to be catching a lot of spam so far. If that doesn't work, I'll try FastMail or Cotse.Net.

Posted by Matt Raible on July 06, 2004 at 05:12 PM MDT #

Much a skeptic as I've normally been... GMail really does feel more like a desktop application than anything else I've used. It's fast, does things like auto-complete out of your addressbook, and the labels instead of folders metaphor (like Opera's M2) is a noticible step forward. The disadvantages for me (compared to Mail) are: - weak contact management - poor/limited handling of attachments (e.g. attached images or forwarded as attach) - no draft message support Right now I would have to give Mail.app & .Mac a slight edge, mostly offset by .Mac's dramatically higher price. With recent moves by Yahoo and Hotmail to change their free quota however, I wonder if Apple will be forced to keep up.

Posted by Jason Shao on July 06, 2004 at 07:03 PM MDT #

Matt, You might also want to look at Pop Goes the GMail which seems to be a windows desktop app that allows you to use POP to access GMail. Didn't see anything for the powerbook yet though.

Posted by Jason Shao on July 06, 2004 at 07:16 PM MDT #

For my $ .02 I'm hoping Apple gets off their ass and does something with .Mac before my next renewal. They have to be aware of GMail, and the responses from Yahoo and Hotmail.

Posted by David Holmes on July 06, 2004 at 08:54 PM MDT #

David,

I saw Apple's response (5 MB -> 15 MB = pitiful) in the August 04 MacWorld. On page 18, they have a pretty good review of all the leading online e-mail providers.

Posted by Matt Raible on July 06, 2004 at 09:28 PM MDT #

Thanks Matt, I'll see if I can find a copy. Did they say there were going to be any changes to .Mac?

Posted by David Holmes on July 06, 2004 at 09:44 PM MDT #

<em>> Did they say there were going to be any changes to .Mac?</em>

Nope, it's just an article on how mail services are <em>super-sizing</em> in response to GMail.

Posted by Matt Raible on July 07, 2004 at 04:15 AM MDT #

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