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Tuesday June 26, 2007

JA-SIG Keynote: Comparing Java Web Frameworks

This morning I did my first keynote at the JA-SIG Summer Conference in Denver. My talk was on Comparing Java Web Frameworks. I told attendees I'd post it here afterwards, so here it is:Download Comparing Java Web Frameworks Presentation (1.1 MB)

In addition, I mentioned my Java Web Frameworks Sweetspots Whitepaper.

Will I be comparing web frameworks at conferences for the rest of my life? Possibly. I've been submitting 2-3 proposals to conferences and it's the only one that keeps getting selected. I'll be delivering it at OSCON, JavaZone, Colorado Software Summit and ApacheCon US.

The Colorado Software Summit wants to have an original presentation - so I may need to drop a framework or two and add in Seam, Grails and GWT. If you are planning on attending one of these talks, which frameworks would you like to see compared?

Related: Comments after I delivered this presentation at ApacheCon EU.

Posted in Java at Jun 26 2007, 10:47:16 AM MDT 9 Comments
Comments:

I'd like to see GWT make the list. I've been working with GWT lately and I think it rocks. Quite honestly it makes most other frameworks look silly if you're building RIA.

Posted by Sanjiv Jivan on June 26, 2007 at 06:07 PM MDT #

I don't want to promote Wicket (If php wasn't such an ugly, basic language I would have long gone back to Symfony, Code Igniter or Cake. Maybe I'll give Django a chance.) Just wanted to add something for Wicket. I don't see the need for using Sitemesh. Wicket has its own powerful extendible markup implementation. There's also the Wicket Bench plugin for Eclipse (although I found it very buggy).

Posted by Yuccaplant on June 27, 2007 at 06:54 AM MDT #

It looks like you are being in a time-warp, repeating the same comparisons ad infinitum, ad nauseum :( Maybe you can take this opportunity to delve into one of the framework of your choice which can make it more informative. BTW: Wonderful and informative presentation.

Posted by Angsuman Chakraborty on July 02, 2007 at 03:55 PM MDT #

This is d most realastic comparios of web frameworks

Posted by sudhir nimavat on July 04, 2007 at 04:52 AM MDT #

I understand it difficult to compare a ton of frameworks but do you have an opinion on the ZK framework (http://zkoss.org) It seems they add features regularly, have integration into Spring, Hibernate, Ajax, etc., packaged Ajax components such as Timeline, editor, etc.

Posted by Rosh on July 11, 2007 at 02:50 PM MDT #

Rosh - I don't have an opinion about the ZK framework because I've never used it or had any demand from clients. The good news is I do plan on attacking Comparing Java Web Frameworks from a couple of new angles in the future:

  1. How to choose a Java Web Framework
  2. Comparing JVM Web Frameworks

For #1, I hope to figure out what's important to developers and companies when choosing an open source web framework. I believe the underlying technology is only part of the equation - project health and stability tend to be more important to companies long-term. For #2, I hope to talk about other frameworks that run on the JVM - for example, GWT, JRuby on Rails, Grails, OpenLaszlo (and possibly Flex).

Also, as part of #1, I think it's possible to divide all web frameworks into 3 categories: request based (Spring MVC, Struts 2), component based (Tapestry, Wicket) and RIA (GWT and OpenLazlso). As part of the choosing, you decide what your needs are (of the 3 categories) and then start drilling down from there. I think this will allow a deeper analysis of the different categories and the easier addition/elimination of frameworks based on the important criteria (#1). For example, if a company has a constraint like they have to support non-Javascript browsers, does it make sense to use GWT? Probably not.

Posted by Matt Raible on July 11, 2007 at 02:58 PM MDT #

Matt - GWT and OpenLaszlo seem to be component based to me. Perhaps the 3 categories should be request based, server side component based, and client side component based. Also, an important attribute of the server side component based category would be if it can do a partial page refresh. I would be interested in seeing your comparison between 1) Struts 2 with GWT and 2) Seam with Facelets and GWT Although Grails is a great project, it won't seem usable to me until IDEs support Groovy code completion.

Posted by Jim Tolson on July 25, 2007 at 06:08 PM MDT #

[Trackback] This post is me catching up with my podcasting from the JA-SIG Summer 2007 Conference in Denver. Matt Raible did a rendition of his Java Frameworks talk, discussing his experience with the various Java web frameworks. I’ve attached an (OK) audio ...

Posted by Jason E. Shao on October 31, 2007 at 12:30 PM MDT #

[Trackback] ??JSF?Spring MVC?Stripes?Struts 2?Tapestry?Wicket

Posted by chzh on March 25, 2008 at 03:43 AM MDT #

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