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Monday March 15, 2004

One Year Ago - Wrox goes under

Pro JSP, Third EditionI was on vacation at my sister's when I found out. I'd just finished the final edits on my chapters and it was time to party. But then, one year ago today, I read (via weblogs) that Wrox was going under. Today, it's nice to look back and see that Pro JSP did get published.

You'd think after 6 months, we'd start to see some royalties. Nope. Nothing. Maybe it's not selling enough copies for the authors to get our $5/year cut. ;-)

Posted in Java at Mar 15 2004, 11:10:00 AM MST 10 Comments
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I don't understand the Wrox situation...they are about to publish a new Spring book by Rod Johnson and Juergen Hoeller http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764558315/qid=1079376365/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/102-1631750-8942545?v=glance&s=books&n=507846.
I imagine this will be a very good book that will sell well (I've pre-ordered it)...but I thought they were out of business.

Posted by Anonymous on March 15, 2004 at 12:52 PM MST #

Another company bought the name Wrox, and most of Wrox's assets. If you look thru the book's info you'll find "Publisher: John Wiley & Sons; (May 3, 2004)". And Matt, I'm sorry you haven't seen any royalties yet - I'll go out and pick up a copy next chance I get! Did you guys get an advance, or is it straight royalties?

Posted by Lance on March 15, 2004 at 01:05 PM MST #

Hi Matt, Everytime I go into a book store here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I look for the book to help your royalties situation, but no luck! Are you available in Canada? As to Wrox, the most problematic thing I have noticed about their rebirths is that the former Wrox titles that Apress bought are appearing with new covers but not oblious mention that they are old titles. So know your library before you buy what looks like a new book. One other problem is that Ontario has become a one book company place and Chapters/Indigo/etc. has really cut back on shelf space for computer books. I will buy when I find it and sorry if this little piece seems more of a complaint then a congrats! But, hey your name looks most impressive in the JDJ ad for the upcoming New York Conference. Brian

Posted by Brian Blakeley on March 15, 2004 at 01:22 PM MST #

Lance - we did get an advance, but after everything was said and done, I figure it worked out to a little over $0.75 hour. ;-) Oh well, writing the chapters gave me an excuse to start AppFuse!

Posted by Matt Raible on March 15, 2004 at 01:31 PM MST #

You should get my royality. Good book.

Posted by Kris Thompson on March 15, 2004 at 04:47 PM MST #

Talk to your publisher and review your contract; you may find that royalties are assessed annually. Also, you should get periodic reports from the publisher on sales; the data in those reports feed into the royalty calculation process. All that said, writing tech books is not a way to get rich quick. If you think of it as a publicity exercise for yourself (and the other authors), you've probably got the right mindset.

Posted by Robert Watkins on March 15, 2004 at 08:29 PM MST #

I'm the publisher at Apress and also the co-founder and a writer myself--I co-wrote the first few editions of Core Java for example. I just wrote Matt to try to get to the bottom of this.
However, just to get teh facts straight: John Wiley bought the Wrox brand name and 36 books. Apress bought all the remaining intellectual property of Wrox and the other Peer information companies (like friends of ED). This is more than 400 books.
Yes, we have brought out reprints of previous editions of some of the Wrox books but contrary to what a poster says you can tell by the back cover, the copyright page and even the name of the book (i.e. no "n=1'st edition) whether or not it is a reprint. In the case of the current book (I just wrote Matt to find out more details), this version is the <it>third</it> edition and I assumed based on what teh editor in charge told me does not include any material that hadn't been paid for. But I am checking!

Gary Cornell

Posted by Gary Cornell on March 16, 2004 at 03:01 PM MST #

!Matt, I you guys have a couple of problems. *Your book is new edition of Professional JSP book that I already have and I ''never'' read. I want to get a hands-on look at this edition,before I plop down my money. I know that there is a lot of new content in this edition, but every publisher claims you get a __ton__ of new content with each new edition. This is rarely the case, so I sure that there are many others that have taken a wait and see approach. *The multi-author book format is another strike against it __IMHO__. If the book was written by just Dave and you, I'd grab a copy. But I think you guys only had a few chapters in it. I have found that most titles like this from the ''previous'' Wrox had duplicate and overlapping information. The book never fit together as a whole, some chapters would be very useful. The problem is too many chapters were a waste of time. *I have yet to find the book at any book store, so there is little I can do to preview this title. Since I have seen many Apress .NET books in same stores, I get the impression that they are not promoting this title very much. In fact, I haven't heard of review from JavaRanch or any review for that matter. * What would be nice, is if Apress would join Safari. This is how I check out all my new books. If I find that I'm reading the books a lot or it has some really useful information, I buy copy. Otherwise, I save myself the money. I hope this wasn't too harsh. I know that David and you put a lot of hard work into completing this book. I'm sure the other authors also put a lot of time and effort in this book. There are only so many hours in a day and only such money you can spend on books. I have far too many books sitting on shelves or in boxes that nothing more than wasted money! :(

Posted by Jeff Duska on March 17, 2004 at 11:29 AM MST #

Actually Jeff, it did get reviewed by JavaRanch - 10 for 10 baby! ;-)

Posted by Matt Raible on March 17, 2004 at 11:38 AM MST #

!!Open mouth insert foot!\\ Congrads on the review. I missed it. I'll have to read it over tonight. I'd __still__ wish I could see it first hand. I wonder why Apress isn't promoting it more in the book store chains? Maybe Gary could gives us some insight to how books end up in the major chains.\\ \\ __P.S.__ I love the new JSP Wiki Syntax, except the email it sends out is useless, if you don't understand JSP Wiki Syntax. Have you thought rendering the message as a HTML email then sending it out?

Posted by Jeff Duska on March 17, 2004 at 12:53 PM MST #

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