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This book shows you how to build an app with JHipster, and guides you through the plethora of tools, techniques and options you can use. Furthermore, it explains the UI and API building blocks so you understand the underpinnings of your great application.

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[JavaOne] Web Frameworks and Birthday Celebrations

Yesterday was a fun afternoon. James Goodwill and I sat in the same room for 3 hours and watched 3 different presentations: Tapestry in Action, JSF and Spring and the Web Framework Smackdown. The Web Framework Smackdown was particularly enjoyable. It was great to see all the framework guys "duke it out" and there were plenty below the belt comments. After that, we hit a bunch of the Birthday Celebration festivities, including Free Booze, an Art Auction and Dennis Miller. Unfortunately, we missed Zepperella - an all-female Led Zeppelin cover band.

Following JavaOne festivities, we met up with the Geronimo guys - only to discover they had just passed the TCK for J2EE 1.4. This resulted in many hours of celebrating and good times. As usual, I took plenty of pictures.

James and Floyd

Today I slept in because I know I won't get any sleep when I get home (parents with small children hardly ever get to sleep much). I attended the Web Tier Expert Group meeting this afternoon, which was really great. We had folks from JSF, JSP and the Servlet teams, all trying to figure out what's next and what we need to do to make web development in Java easier. There were a lot of great ideas, and the next versions of all 3 specs should really improve things.

Posted in JavaOne at Jun 30 2005, 07:44:37 PM MDT Add a Comment

[JavaOne] Experiences with the 1.5 Language Features

This is the last session I plan on attending today, and it's titled "Experiences with the 1.5 Language Features: Tips and Techniques" by Tim Hanson and Jess Garms of BEA. Tonight looks to be a good time with the JBoss Party, Java Blogger Meetup (@ Thirsty Bear), the Pavilion Party. Times for the events are 5-9, 6-8 and 6:30-8. This conference is definitely packed, and I expect the parties to be the same. In other words, the best part of this shindig is yet to begin. ;-)

This talk is about how to make effective use of the new 1.5 Language Features in your applications.

For Each Loop: Initialization expression is evaluated once (unlike former). Major limitation of using the new for each loop is you don't have access to the index or the iterator.

Annotations: Built-in annotations - i.e. @SuppressWarnings("deprecation"). Possible values: all, deprecation, unchecked, fallthrough, path, serial, finally. This annotation is not supported in the latest version of Java 5, it is supported in Mustang and Eclipse 3.1. @Deprecated is another built-in annotations. If you use this tag, you should use the @deprecated javadoc tag as well. Last one is @Override, which is used to indicate that a method declaration is intended to override a method declaration in a superclass. If the superclass signature changes, this annotation will make sure you change it in child classes.

Annotations are especially useful for frameworks (i.e. EJBs, Web Services, etc.). Not a preprocessor, not a silver bullet.

Enums: Better than static final int. Type-safe. Utility classes: java.util.EnumMap and EnumSet. Public static final int-like behavior: Comparable, statically importable (even as an inner class).

Varargs: Special syntax for cleaning up code. Allows you to use "String... args" instead of a whole slew of methods that take multiple arguments. Use them sparingly - avoid code that casts.

Covariant Returns: Replaces three anti-patterns.

Using Generics: Example from Collections - static List Collections.singletonList(T o). There is a two-pass inferencing process to determine what T is. Other Generified classes: Class (public T newInstance()), Comparable (public int compareTo(T o)), Enum> (public Class getDeclaringClass()). You can also use wildcards with generics, which has a syntax of List instead of List. This allows you to specify subtypes, and not be tied to a strictly typed solution. Wildcards are great to use in APIs and to hide implementations from users.

I give up - this guy has been going on about Generics for far too long. Time to go hunt down some parties.

Posted in JavaOne at Jun 27 2005, 06:20:51 PM MDT 1 Comment

[ANN] Equinox 1.4 Released

This release is mainly to support Spring 1.2.1 and Hibernate 3.0.5. The default database is now PostgreSQL because of an issue with Hibernate 3 and HSQL. All of the frameworks used in Equinox, as well as its build/test system is explained in Spring Live. Detailed release notes are below:

- Added "typeMismatch.java.util.Date" key to messages.properties (for Spring) to display a friendly error for invalid dates.
- Changed to use PostgreSQL as the default database because of an issue with HSQL and Hibernate 3.0. Read more »
- Added "clear" target to build.xml for clearing out the database.
- Added MySQL JDBC Driver and jdbc.properties.mysql for easy switching to MySQL.
- Changed UserWebTest (jWebUnit test) to get lastInsertedId from UI using HttpUnit rather than using UserManager (Richard Easterling).
- Changed spring-sandbox.jar to springmodules-validator-0.1.jar since Commons Validator support for Spring has moved to the Spring Modules project.
- Changed all Spring XML files to use new "value" and "ref" attributes.
- Dependent packages upgraded:

  • Cargo 0.5
  • Log4j 1.2.9
  • Hibernate 3.0.5
  • iBATIS 2.1.0
  • OJB 1.0.3
  • Spring 1.2.1

Download. For more information about installing the various options, see the README.txt file.

Demos:

The basic Equinox download contains all the various web and persistence framework options in the "extras" folder. If you have issues replacing the web or persistence framework (or both), please enter an issue in JIRA and I'll build and upload a customized version for you.

Posted in Java at Jun 27 2005, 06:27:23 AM MDT 5 Comments

RE: AppFuse, 'tool' of experts

I'm please to say that I've been biled yet again. The first time wasn't so bad, and this time seems pretty mild too. There's no mention of asshat, chozgobbler or turdburglar in the whole post, which is somewhat disappointing. Nevertheless, it's what I've come to expect from a guy who sallies car bombs and dances like a sissy.

Regardless of the lack of bile in Hani's post, he does bring up some good points. Let's take a look at them individually:

  • IzPack and MyJavaPack: the progress bar doesn't work, and the installer downloads everything rather than just including/installing it all.
    • To be honest, I didn't know it was possible to pack up everything and skip the internet download part. I'll definitely look into fixing this.
  • You must have Tomcat installed to work with AppFuse.
    • This is true, and I've thought about changing it to be Resin friendly, or possible Orion friendly, but there simply hasn't been any demand. Of course, Orion isn't that attractive to many folks because it doesn't even support Servlet 2.4. Maybe you should crackin' on that Hani! Or maybe you just like living in the dark ages with your affections for EJB 2.1, Servlet 2.3 and WebWork 1.4.
  • When creating a new project, you get prompted for the package name twice.
    • This is true, and something we should fix. The major reason we haven't is because I didn't want to distribute a 2MB BeanShell JAR that would support the 3 lines of code to fix the problem. I guess I should bite the bullet and add the bloat, or figure out a more elegant way to fix the problem. Issue #75.
  • Project generation auto-detects MySQL when you don't have it installed.
  • I'm a web monkey.
    • True, but that's cool now with Ajax and all.
  • Half the build targets don't work.
    • I think this is more like a handful don't work, but good effort. I agree we should remove the install-* targets when installing a web framework. Issue #76.
  • Every object creates builder objects in hashCode and toString.
    • This is true, and I've seen no performance implications from it. In reality, these are a product of the commons-lang project, as well as Commonclipse. We should probably change these to use smarter methods like the ones IDEA generates. It'd be nice if Eclipse has hashCode() and equals() method generation like IDEA.
  • The project's directory layout is bound to confuse a seasoned webapp veteran.
    • The directory structure is largely based off the example app in Java Development with Ant. Since AppFuse uses Ant, I figured it was a good idea to use a "best-practices" structure like Erik describes in his book. I've often thought about consolidating the 3-source tree, 3-test tree directory structure to one, but users are very attached to the current setup. Maybe for 2.0.
  • XDoclet generates web.xml.
    • I agree that using 11 XML fragments to generate 1 XML file is a little ridiculous. You're right - developers should know how to write a web.xml and what goes where. Issue #77.

Thanks for the feedback Hani - sounds like I owe you a car bomb or two at JavaOne. ;-)

Posted in Java at Jun 22 2005, 10:41:03 PM MDT 17 Comments

Bike to Work Day

It's another Bike to Work Day in Denver and I'm missing two key ingredients: a bike and an office to ride into. It's funny to look back at last year and see that my first day with OpenLogic was Bike to Work Day. This year, I'm again starting a new gig and working from home (much like last June). The good news is we'll be moving into fancy new offices (in the swanky Tabor Center) at the beginning of July.

I've been looking at new bikes, but haven't bought one yet because I'm going to be traveling so much in the next couple of weeks. NYC this weekend (wedding), San Francisco next week, followed by a week of vacation at the cabin in Montana. It'll be pretty cool to come back from that and move into my new office at Virtuas (yeah, a *real* office with a window seat!). I'll likely be forced to buy a bike then - driving to work in the summertime just isn't right.

Posted in General at Jun 22 2005, 08:23:46 AM MDT 8 Comments

HowTo set the default submit button on a form

Howard has a nice little trick for setting the default submit button on a form. Basically, you just put the default button first, and then use style="display: none" to hide it. For the most part, I haven't had any issues with putting the default submit button first (i.e. "Save"), but I have noticed an issue when developing wizards (b/c "« Previous" is likely to be first). Nice tip Howard.

Posted in The Web at Jun 20 2005, 08:58:53 AM MDT 7 Comments

Presentations: Acegi Security and Spring Web Flow

I just noticed that the javaBin site has published the talks I did at the Norway JUGs. Here are two additional presentations that I didn't post last time:

In the near future, I hope to start taking more of Kathy Sierra's advice and reducing my presentations to almost nothing. This will diminish their value when I post them, but hopefully make the presentations a lot more fun to attend.

Posted in Java at Jun 17 2005, 11:12:16 AM MDT 3 Comments

[ANN] AppFuse 1.8.1 Released

This release is mostly a bug fix release with no new features. It also includes many upgrades to the core libraries (Hibernate, Spring, iBATIS, MyFaces). Thanks to all the sponsors who have contributed products and free hosting to the AppFuse project. You guys rock!

To see how AppFuse works, please see the following demos:

Comments and issues can be sent to the mailing list or posted to the AppFuse Issue Tracker.

Posted in Java at Jun 15 2005, 11:00:42 PM MDT 8 Comments

Building a Persisted, Dynamic Web Tree with AppFuse

Thomas Gaudin has done it again. He's published yet another detailed and well thought out tutorial for AppFuse. This time it's about building a dynamic menu tree using Struts Menu and Hibernate. Great stuff thogau!

Posted in Java at Jun 15 2005, 07:41:48 AM MDT 2 Comments

Notes from DJUG: Rhythm and Open Source Strategies

Last night I had the pleasure of listening to two great speakers at Denver's JUG. Not only did Brian and Lajos know their stuff, but they were very comfortable on stage and interesting to listen to. Below are my notes from this event. When I did a print preview of this in Dreamweaver, it came out to be 5 pages - so just to warn you, this is a pretty long post.

Brian Boelsterli - Nudging your organization towards agility: Ingredients for an agile execution environment

Even if you have a dream team of developers, it doesn't mean the project will succeed. Process Matters. A lot of what Brian's Rhythm process was developed while working at Sprint - where they completed 169 iterations on their way to production. There are problems with agile methodologies: team has no rhythm (restart, pause, delay all the time), project plans are big and heavy and just about worthless, methodology teams get in the way, specifications are close to worthless, design review meetings are horrible. In order to combat these problems (regardless of your methodology), Brian has developed a Rhythm Process that helps agile methods succeed. This system contains a number of ingredients to solve problems with agile methodologies.

Heartbeat/Stacked Iterations "...no rhythm" Iteration Artifact Review Meeting (iARM) "...worthless review meetings."
Software Push "...software deliveries are atrocious" Issue Review Meeting (IRM) "...lack of pattern for managing our backlog of defects ..."
Iteration Advocate "...methodology team gets in our way" Software Iteration Plan "...worthless project plans"
Iteration Artifacts "...worthless artifacts" Iteration Transition Meeting (ITM) "...we are status-based, instead of delivery based!"

The Heartbeat is the logical representation to the physical thing called an "iteration". Starts Thursday morning, ends Wednesday night - based on psychology b/c it fosters sustainability. By giving 2 days to start a new iteration, they've found higher productivity because no one wants to work the weekend.

Rhythm advocates weekly iterations, regardless of deliverables. The primary reason for this is to maintain the heartbeat. Rather than doing XP-type iterations where you do everything in an iteration, you do Stacked Iterations. In an iteration, you still do full lifecycle (requirements, development, deploy), but the Business Analysts are 1 iteration ahead of the developers and the developers are 1 iteration ahead of the deployment team. In Rhythm, there's an Iteration Advocate who gathers and manages requirements, Developers do the development, and the QA team does automation and deployment. I've worked with this system in the past with Brian and this process works quite well.

Iteration Advocate: Traditional "Process Mentor", in disguise. They're responsible for making sure the spin happens and the work gets done. Responsible for one thing: Ensuring the successful delivery of each and every iteration. A big reason that Rhythm advocates this role is because they've found that Project Managers tend to spend 80% of their time doing PM work. By having this role, the PM can concentrate on managing the project and doesn't have to be concerned about managing people and their deliverables. As part of each iteration, artifacts are produced. This makes it possible to put the project in hibernation at any iteration transition point.

Software Iteration Plan (SIP): A simple artifact that includes features and tasks, as well as defects to fix for each iteration. As part of the weekly planning, this artifact is re-visited and updated. Depending on how formal your organization is, this document can be kept on a wiki site, in a word document, etc. Meetings are held every Wednesday afternoon - where PMs sit in a room and team members come in and report their status.

Iteration Transition Meeting (ITM): Backbone of the process - happens every Thursday morning and involves all parties involved in the project. Similar to SCRUM's Post-Sprint Meeting. It's an official buyer/seller marketplace for cross-functioning teams to buy/sell iteration artifacts.

  • Definers are selling their requirements, analysis and design specs
  • Developers are selling their functionality
  • Testing are selling their test plans and specs

Participation requires a minimum of one representative from each respective group. Project Manager conducts, Iteration Advocate facilitates. Brian says this meeting has virtually eliminated the need to do status meetings.

From working with Brian, I know that one of the key ingredients to this process is the Testing Team. The folks that typically fill the QA Developer role is on a whole new level from most testers I've seen. Rhythm Testers are automation experts and know how to setup CruiseControl, run Ant/Maven/Unit tests, as well and configure and deploy to production servers. These folks are the ones who handle the initial installation and configuration of the test, development and production servers.

As part of Rhythm, it's also important to plan for "Featureless iterations" - where nothing is done but run performance tests and regression tests. Done at both 40% and 60% project completion. This was a good presentation about an excellent process that I still try to use today. In my experience, the hardest part to implementing it is finding good QA Engineers that are automation experts as well. Nice job Brian!

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Lajos Moczar: Creating A Successful Open Source Strategy

Lajos is a committer on OpenEJB and has written two books: one on Cocoon and one on Tomcat. Lajos has been working with open source since 1995 and has a company called Galatea Information Strategies in Colorado Springs. Lajos mentioned that he recently became well-known in the open-source world by writing a paper titled "Start developing and deploying J2EE apps on the first open source J2EE server". This title apparently pissed off the JBoss guys to no end, their PR Firm called JavaWorld and they renamed it to A first look at Apache Geronimo. Because of the JBoss controversy, Lajos became inspired to write The open source monopoly, which explains why he thinks doesn't think JBoss is open-source.

NOTE: The big reason Lajos doesn't like corporate-backed open-source is because he feels that quality app servers like JOnAS deserve lots of press too. However, they don't have the marketing dollars that JBoss has, and are therefore overshadowed. He also mentioned how dangerous it can be when a project's committers get so full of themselves that they start veering from a standard (i.e. J2EE) and developing their own add-ons. If companies and developers use these add-ons, it leads to Vendor Lock-in, which is the same as the lock-in you find in commercial products with proprietary APIs.

Bottom Line for open source adoption: Open Source is mature for the enterprise, as long as you're mature in your approach to it.

The state of OSS: Over the past past 4-5 years, OSS has gone from youth to adulthood. Now a viable choice for large-scale organizations, common talk in business and news. Recent report from CSC on enterprise usages of OSS:

  • 70% have Linux and/or Apache
  • 42% are using Tomcat
  • 14% are using PHP

OSS in young adulthood, where childhood was free software, not a thread to the mainstream. OSS was born of the hacker culture of the 70s (and earlier). Richard Stallman and GNU dominated open source in the 80s and early 90s.

In Adolescence, open source went a big crazy (late 90s). The Big Split was when open source was redefined as a methodology instead of a culture. Eric Raymond, Netscape and the launch of "commercial" open source. Open source != free software. Open source + the Internet = Linux, which leads to popular access to open source.

Now in Young Adulthood, where there is an explosion of choices (in Operation Systems, Containers, Technologies (i.e. PHP, Perl, Python, etc.), Web Frameworks). 34,000 open-source projects on freshmeat, 86,000 on sourceforge. There's also an explosion of licenses. Explosion of technological advances in web services, Java and development technologies. This has all resulted in an explosion of adoption in many large organizations.

Is OSS Mature? Open source faces a crisis of maturity:

  • Does it achieve the ideals of its origins and stay as a separate force in the technology world?
  • Does it get subsumed by the increasing trend of corporate open source?

With the "corporate open source" model, the project is essentially a product, except that it's free and and you can see the source. Are we losing the intrigue and excitement that the 2:00 a.m. developer experiences? The "corporate open source" model seems to discount the roots of open source - when developers stayed up until the wee hours of the morning to develop something they were passionate about. With the corporate model, it becomes their job and could lead to a loss of passion.

Some Challenges: As OSS matures, there are challenges that face OSS implementers, particularly those in advocacy/evangelization roles. Inherent problems - a lot of releases (difficult to keep up), is it really free, etc.

More Challenges: Overwhelming choices (choose a languages (Java, Perl, C#, Python, C++) , choose a direction w/in a language (i.e. Java 1.4 or 1.5) , choosing a technology direction (J2EE or just part of it - sans EJB).

After this overview, Lajos went into an example of how open source is typically adopted in an enterprise. It starts off with a web application pilot, where a developer downloads Apache + Tomcat, spends a day getting them talking to each other, and then configures everything using the default settings. From there, an application is developed w/o code or directory structure standards, without security and without failover solutions or backups. Nothing is documented as development ensues. This pilot becomes a production application and the IT organization has no idea how to support the application, and new developers have no idea how to maintain it, or start a new project based on the same architecture and tools. Bottom line: using a pilot like this is an irresponsible way to introduce OSS to your enterprise.

Typical OSS Introduction problems: The first step towards successful OS is organizing the problems or "challenges". Use of technology problems, process problems and choice problems. OSS has the strange effect of highlighting inherent problems in your enterprise or IT strategy. These problems can be fixed.

  • Technology problems: Technologies come and go, but the core business stays the same. What is important is that you know how to use and what you choose. Commons IT mistakes: The latest and greatest, bleeding edge software, technology for the sake of technology, instead of for the business. Sounds obvious, but you must always start with one question: what is the purpose of IT?
  • Process problems: OSS highlights already existing process problems b/c it's very accessible, tends towards permutations in options and versions and there's less work done in the way of best practices than we need. You need a solid infrastructure - processes and principles - to handle the problems with OSS and to insure complete success with it. More than ever, this is the time for process: no OSS implementation should be w/o them! Develop, test, upgrade, deploy, etc.
  • Choice problems: Factors influencing choices: technology direction, project viability and health, knowledge base, license type, corporate sponsorship, "spirit" of founders.

Principles of a Pilot: Your pilot is the most critical step in OSS implementation. The pilot must demonstrate: sound and viable technology choices, solid processes and principles, vertical slices.

Starting a web pilot right: Research the options: which version of Apache/Tomcat/MySQL is the most stable (use mailing list). What is the proven integration solution, security "best practices", licensing concerns? Are there documentation concerns? Do you have to pay for it? Is it any good?

When starting with open-source you need to plan, plan, plan.

  • Organize your directories for repeatability, ease of maintenance.
  • Separate program directories from development directories from deployment directories
  • Document all configurables, installation quirks, directory locations
  • Define a solid and repeatable build process
  • Never take all the defaults! Determine what to change.

Authentication and Security. Problem: multiple logins is the curse of the modern enterprise - don't reinvent! Use single sign-on if possible. Don't have an LDAP server, install one! Kerberos is a good option if you are starting out: a bit of work, but worth it. Problem: OSS is not inherently more secure than anything else. Solution: research for the most low-risk products. Keep currently with he project bug lists and security announcements. Subscribe to all relevant mailing lists.

Development processes. Problem: Need a development process for OSS-based applications. Solution: Use CVS with replication (CVSUP). Use Ant/Maven with a well-documented target/properties schema for builds. Implement a three-stage process, of development, QA and production. Create a simple process for tracking application releases and enabling rollbacks.

While listening to Lajos talk about all of this stuff, I couldn't help thinking to myself that AppFuse solves a lot of these problems for you. ;-)

Understand the Pitfalls of OSS:

Version mania and product instability: establish your own release criteria and testing plans. Always upgrade with a rollback plan. Once you find stability, keep it!

Lack of product infrastructure: Great products are useless w/o the proper infrastructure. If any of the following don't exist around an open source project, it's a warning sign that it might not be ready for prime-time.

  • premier documentation (i.e. books)
  • training services
  • tiered support services
  • integration services
  • security alerts
  • intuitive administration and operator interfaces
  • interoperability testing - does the release announcement provide upgrade paths?
  • load testing
  • release criteria (i.e. basic interoperability testing, tested functionality, etc.)

Free software is not really free - there will be costs:

  • Training
  • Consulting
  • Hardware
  • Support

Flavor-of-the-month technologies: ask the hard questions about any technology, jumping on the bandwagon for its own sake will be expensive, older proven technologies are often better. Ruby on Rails fits into this category.

Corporate open source and branded technologies: beware brand names backed by VC funding - they could end up being monopolies. Can lead to Vendor Lock-in. Beware of technologies dominated by a single entity. Standards are the best way to prevent this from happening. The best solution: community-driven standards - complete with best practices.

Open source or "free" software requires the same approach and dedication as does commercial software:

  • Software infrastructure
  • Training, documentation, support
  • Sound implementation, upgrade, support processes

At this point, Lajos gave his recommendations of good open-source projects that are ready for enterprise adoption. I wasn't fast enough to write down the ones he mentioned for Security, Integration and End-user applications. He did say he'd post his slides, so hopefully I can fill this list in later.

  • Operation System: RedHat/Fedora, SuSE, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Mandrake
  • Data: MySQL (note the license), PostgreSQL, MaxDB, dbXML, Xindice, eXist, Castor, Hibernate
  • Security
  • Web Services: Apache SOAP/AXIS, Tomcat, Jetty, JBoss, JOnAS, OpenEJB, Resin, Geronimo, LUkAS, ebXML, Jabber, SIM, CryptIM, Magpie (PHP RSS), Jena, ircd, OpenCMS
  • Integration: JMS (OpenJMS, SwiftMQ)
  • End-user: Firefox, Open Office

Implement: Once you have organized your choices, divide and conquer. Determine what you will keep commercial: mainframe apps? High-end database platforms? Take one slice at a time: database, communications, server platforms, end-user platforms, web services, networking, etc. Be careful of tightly integrated components.

This marked the end of Lajos's (very enjoyable) presentation. I've known of Lajos through his Apache+Tomcat FlashGuides, so it was very cool to meet the man behind the knowledge. It's also pretty neat that we're both doing the same line of work. I hope to sit down and have a beer with Lajos in the near future. During the QA Session at the end, I picked up a couple of audience tips: Google has their open-source code at code.google.com and Revolution OS is a good movie to rent.

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This is one of the best Denver JUG meetings I've been to in a long time, and this summer looks like it'll be packed full of good sessions. July's JUG Meeting is going to be awesome: Bruce Tate talking about Beyond Java followed by David Geary talking about Ruby on Rails.

Posted in Java at Jun 09 2005, 03:00:25 PM MDT 1 Comment