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AppFuse 1.3 vs. 1.4

Mike Lawrence (the guy who wrote the AppFuse on Orion tutorial), sent me an e-mail yesterday asking about AppFuse 1.3 (the latest release) vs. 1.4 (still in CVS).

Spring
This looks like a pretty new framework. I wonder how stable it is? 

How far along are you with 1.4? You've made more changes to 1.3 to move
to 1.4 than I've made to 1.3. So, I'd be better off just taking your 1.4
base and integrating my changes.

Did you eliminate struts as the MVC framework?

Doesn't this invalidate your awesome AppFuse tutorials?

I'd really like to stay in sync with your new release, however, I've got
major production deadlines to meet. It would stink if I automated a
bunch of stuff for 1.3 that you couldn't use in 1.4. Yet, if I move to
1.4, will I be facing stability issues and no tutorial docs?

I figured it'd be better if I answer his questions here, as other folks might be wondering the same thing.

Spring - how stable is it?

As with most open source projects, the version number doesn't always indicate the stability of a product. Roller hasn't reached 1.0, but I would venture to say it's a mature and stable product. If you asked this question on the Spring mailing list, you'd likely received a lot of responses saying that it's very stable and used in many production systems. IMO, it's a very stable framework and likely to be the next Struts (in terms of popularity). I don't know that it's MVC framework will be that popular, but it's persistence support classes, declarative transactions and AOP framework are pretty slick. The fact that it integrates smoothly with all leading MVC frameworks is a nice touch too.

I think the best answer is - you need to work with Spring and then decide for yourself. I love writing one-line DAO methods for Hibernate...

How far along are you with 1.4?

If you're already started an application with AppFuse version x, then you should stick with AppFuse version x until your project is finished. It's often a real pain to upgrade an existing app to use the latest stuff, and probably unlikely you'll gain that much value. However, if you're not under a tight deadline - and you really need something in a more recent release - it makes sense to upgrade. The tutorial I wrote on upgrading a 1.3 app to 1.4 is probably a one-time thing. I don't plan to do an upgrade document between all releases.

That being said, if you have enchancements for AppFuse and want me to roll them into the main code base, the best way is to create patches for the CVS version and then it'll be easier for me to figure out what you changed.

Did you eliminate struts as the MVC framework?

Definitely not - Struts will remain as the standard MVC framework because it is the most popular and most AppFuse users will likely use it. When I add MVC alternatives, they will be packaged similar to the iBATIS option - so you'll have to install them. Most MVC options will likely rip out Struts and replace it with their own stuff.

Doesn't this invalidate your awesome AppFuse tutorials?

The tutorials will be updated to support the latest release. I hope to have some time in early March to update these. As soon as I do, I'll release 1.4.

I'd really like to stay in sync with your new release, however, I've got major production deadlines to meet. It would stink if I automated a bunch of stuff for 1.3 that you couldn't use in 1.4. Yet, if I move to 1.4, will I be facing stability issues and no tutorial docs?

Staying in synch with AppFuse as I push out new releases is probably a waste of your time. I did it with Struts Resume for a long time, and it's a lot of work trying to keep up. I firmly believe that each release of AppFuse has been a solid one - they just keep getting better. The only reason to upgrade is for new features and/or bug fixes. I believe that 1.4 will be just as stable as 1.3 and there will be tutorial docs when its released. As far as your automation stuff, the best way to get that added is send me patches against CVS.

BTW, Mike has integrated Middlegen into his AppFuse-based project. He's also working on generating stubs of a lot of the DAO/Manager/Action files - I believe that's his automation stuff. Thanks for giving back so much to AppFuse Mike - now if I only had more time to keep up with your enhancements. ;-)